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Read an Article by AA Gill this Sunday about Puglia in The Times Travel Section. It might be available online.
www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/travel
His usual acerbic wit.
but he does like Lecce, I quote, " a miraculous and beautiful place, not despite its surroundings, but because of them.
but the rest of Puglia I don't think he liked it.
Lucky old him, he got to go free as  a guest of a travel company, wish I had his job.

Anyway just thought I'd let you know about it so you can have a read.
Jo

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Hello JoJo. Thanks for the hat-tip toward the Times article. However, as Rupert Murdoch, in his undoubted wisdom, has stopped all access to both the Times and Sunday Times websites unless you pay, most people don't have access to the piece. Of course, you might have come across the article outside of the Murdoch paywall, so a link (or the article itself) would be interesting - if possible...

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QUOTE(Peter Gee @ Sep 26 2010, 03:15 PM) View Post

Hello JoJo. Thanks for the hat-tip toward the Times article. However, as Rupert Murdoch, in his undoubted wisdom, has stopped all access to both the Times and Sunday Times websites unless you pay, most people don't have access to the piece. Of course, you might have come across the article outside of the Murdoch paywall, so a link (or the article itself) would be interesting - if possible...

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Hi sorry, didn't realise you had to pay now to read the times on line  sad.gif

Here are a few quotes

Since the unification of Italy Puglia has been run by communists, plundered by army recruiters, patronised by politicians and plagued with a particularly efficient and vicious version of the mafia. It gets money from Brussels, money from Rome and communist mayors who order up spaghetti factories, cheap public housing, business parks, access roads and electricity pylons, then the mafia arranges to build them, or at least start building them.
So Puglia is a rubble of ground plans, boarded factories, empty warehouses. there are dirty roads that lead to pointless roundabouts and lots of stained grotty high rise flats in clusters in a landscape of dumped rubbish, discarded white goods and collapsed cars. It looks poor, it is poor.
All the money, the socialism, the crime and Catholicism have conspired to keep it the way it's always been.
All this the English can ignore. They can see round it, over it. They have remarkable selective vision that simply washes away the ugly and the callous. They can see round corners into beautiful olive groves and fruit orchards. They sigh over Greek ruins in the middle of 1970's cut price civic hideousness. The magazines have carefully cropped photographs of sun loungers and pools and sky with bits of beach.

Then he reports on Lecce which he loved and gave a long and glowing description of the architecture.

Lecce is a miraculous and beautiful place, not despite its surroundings but because of them. Is Puglia this years smart Italy? God knows it needs the tourism, but not as a delusional annex to Tuscany.

He says Puglia deserves and needs new investment and infra structure and services, and friends who visit. It doesn't deserve a lot of English fantasists in panama hats braying about the architecture, pretending this is some sort of undiscovered riot of deliciously secret Italy

It was a full page spread so I can't type it all out, and a lot of it was about the English love affair with Italy and the villa he stayed in with his family and friends.

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QUOTE(JoJo @ Sep 27 2010, 02:15 PM) View Post

Hi sorry, didn't realise you had to pay now to read the times on line  sad.gif

Here are a few quotes

Since the unification of Italy Puglia has been run by communists, plundered by army recruiters, patronised by politicians and plagued with a particularly efficient and vicious version of the mafia. It gets money from Brussels, money from Rome and communist mayors who order up spaghetti factories, cheap public housing, business parks, access roads and electricity pylons, then the mafia arranges to build them, or at least start building them.
So Puglia is a rubble of ground plans, boarded factories, empty warehouses. there are dirty roads that lead to pointless roundabouts and lots of stained grotty high rise flats in clusters in a landscape of dumped rubbish, discarded white goods and collapsed cars. It looks poor, it is poor.
All the money, the socialism, the crime and Catholicism have conspired to keep it the way it's always been.
All this the English can ignore. They can see round it, over it. They have remarkable selective vision that simply washes away the ugly and the callous. They can see round corners into beautiful olive groves and fruit orchards. They sigh over Greek ruins in the middle of 1970's cut price civic hideousness. The magazines have carefully cropped photographs of sun loungers and pools and sky with bits of beach.

Then he reports on Lecce which he loved and gave a long and glowing description of the architecture.

Lecce is a miraculous and beautiful place, not despite its surroundings but because of them. Is Puglia this years smart Italy? God knows it needs the tourism, but not as a delusional annex to Tuscany.

He says Puglia deserves and needs new investment and infra structure and services, and friends who visit. It doesn't deserve a lot of English fantasists in panama hats braying about the architecture, pretending this is some sort of undiscovered riot of deliciously secret Italy

It was a full page spread so I can't type it all out, and a lot of it was about the English love affair with Italy and the villa he stayed in with his family and friends.

Jo


Clearly he couldn't see past the end of his nose and merely reported on what he could see and missed one of Puglias best assets, the people

So Puglia is a rubble of ground plans, boarded factories, empty warehouses. there are dirty roads that lead to pointless roundabouts and lots of stained grotty high rise flats in clusters in a landscape of dumped rubbish, discarded white goods and collapsed cars. It looks poor, it is poor.

Sounds like parts of the UK I know!

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QUOTE(The P's @ Sep 27 2010, 06:24 PM) View Post


Clearly he couldn't see past the end of his nose and merely reported on what he could see and missed one of Puglias best assets, the people

So Puglia is a rubble of ground plans, boarded factories, empty warehouses. there are dirty roads that lead to pointless roundabouts and lots of stained grotty high rise flats in clusters in a landscape of dumped rubbish, discarded white goods and collapsed cars. It looks poor, it is poor.

Sounds like parts of the UK I know!

Indeed! 'Journalists' in the UK seem to be more intent on writing articles that support the views of the newspaper (and its owner),  that makes its money by selling to its own 'target' audience. Times, Mail, Guardian, Torygraph, et al - all of them carry stories about 'their' own version of a fantasy Italy that are complete nonsense - but sell papers. A shame, but have you watched TG1 or Rete4 recently? Same nonsense everywhere...

...Puts 'grumpy old man' coat on and leaves room...


PS. Thank you for the quotes, JoJo - I appreciate the effort smile.gif


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You can read the article in full (FREE) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/de...icle6831810.ece

happy reading

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QUOTE(The Waltons @ Oct 1 2010, 09:59 AM) View Post

You can read the article in full (FREE) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/de...icle6831810.ece

happy reading

Doesn't sound like the same article  to me.

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QUOTE(The Waltons @ Oct 1 2010, 09:59 AM) View Post

You can read the article in full (FREE) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/de...icle6831810.ece

happy reading



Unfortunately not the same article mad.gif

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sorry...didnt check the date

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QUOTE(JoJo @ Sep 27 2010, 01:15 PM) View Post

Since the unification of Italy Puglia has been run by communists, plundered by army recruiters, patronised by politicians and plagued with a particularly efficient and vicious version of the mafia.



Puglia ruled by "communists"?
It seems he writes the first things that come in his mind without verifying them.
So you have rubbish journalist as well.

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QUOTE(Giuseppe @ Oct 10 2010, 04:06 PM) View Post

Puglia ruled by "communists"?
It seems he writes the first things that come in his mind without verifying them.
So you have rubbish journalist as well.

Indeed, Giuseppe. Indeed. Journalism is better described these days as "churnalism" - that is to say that stories in the paper are just reprinted from other publications without any fact checking (or indeed, facts) to suit the thinking of the majority of readers of the paper. The 'best' newspaper (I use the term loosely) in the UK to see that in action is, of course, the Daily Mail. But the Murdoch owned and controlled "Times", together with the "News of the World" and the "Sun" will give even Il Giornale a run for its money these days. The other point to bear in mind is that the majority of newspapers everywhere in the world are very xenophobic in the way that they present information - hence "foreigners" always being illustrated as mere stereotypes of the reality.

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QUOTE(JoJo @ Sep 23 2010, 02:34 PM) View Post

Read an Article by AA Gill this Sunday about Puglia in The Times Travel Section. It might be available online.
www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/travel
His usual acerbic wit.
but he does like Lecce, I quote, " a miraculous and beautiful place, not despite its surroundings, but because of them.
but the rest of Puglia I don't think he liked it.
Lucky old him, he got to go free as  a guest of a travel company, wish I had his job.

Anyway just thought I'd let you know about it so you can have a read.
Jo

Hi Jo, we visited Lecce about 2 weeks back and were appalled at the amount of graffiti, even on the churches. The city was quite dirty with lots of dog poo around the streets. We feel that other cities in Puglia are more attractive and more friendly
Cheers
Stewart

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QUOTE(Stewart @ Oct 13 2010, 03:01 PM) View Post

Hi Jo, we visited Lecce about 2 weeks back and were appalled at the amount of graffiti, even on the churches. The city was quite dirty with lots of dog poo around the streets. We feel that other cities in Puglia are more attractive and more friendly
Cheers
Stewart

If Typhoo put the T in Britain-who put the poo in Puglia??

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QUOTE(Billy @ Oct 13 2010, 09:15 PM) View Post

If Typhoo put the T in Britain-who put the poo in Puglia??

Last time I heard that one, Billy, it was about Liverpool...




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QUOTE(Stewart @ Oct 13 2010, 03:01 PM) View Post

Hi Jo, we visited Lecce about 2 weeks back and were appalled at the amount of graffiti, even on the churches. The city was quite dirty with lots of dog poo around the streets. We feel that other cities in Puglia are more attractive and more friendly
Cheers
Stewart


I concur with Stewart about the amount of graffiti - this is an Italian word so it must originate here and blights Belgium and New York as well as Lecce.

With the income from tourism the local council should keep on top of the problem.  I will send an email to them and see what comes back if anything.........

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QUOTE(Peter Gee @ Oct 14 2010, 09:13 AM) View Post

Last time I heard that one, Billy, it was about Liverpool...


i read the article
there are some ugly parts but that can be said of anywhere
is Gallipoli really that bad?

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QUOTE(eib @ Oct 18 2010, 01:40 PM) View Post


i read the article
there are some ugly parts but that can be said of anywhere
is Gallipoli really that bad?

Basically, eib, no it isn't. I have several Italian friends that live both in and close to Gallipoli and they have no problems at all. You must try to bear in mind that criminal activities tend to remain within criminal circles, so unless your concern is being broken into and your lawn mower stolen, the worst excesses would only become visible if you were to be actively involved in the criminal world yourself - which I am absolutely sure you are not! biggrin.gif

Remember that stories about foreign countries - and for The Times, Italy is a very foreign country that is causing its owner, Rupert Murdoch a few financial issues in his satellite TV empire - are often written only for the benefit of the home market - and to cause embarrassment to business rivals.

So, in short, Gallipoli is a lovely place but a bit too full of tourists in the summer for my personal taste.

And you will get used to the graffiti in time. Probably. wink.gif

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QUOTE(eib @ Oct 18 2010, 12:40 PM) View Post

i read the article
there are some ugly parts but that can be said of anywhere
is Gallipoli really that bad?

I'm sure it's attractive, but just avoid like the plague a weekend in July, August or first weekend Sept. We made the mistake of thinking we'd just 'have a quick look' on our way down to Santa Maria di Leuca for a couple of days. Several hours later and in the company of what appeared to be 50% of Italy's entire population, we gave it up as a bad job, crawled our way out of the traffic jam, headed inland and straight down to our hotel. We still haven't been there but will perhaps go and see it (in more depth) in winter!

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We Went there at about this time 2 years ago - it was beautiful - sunny, uncrowded and the tables for the restaurants were still out along the seafront in the old town - like most places everywhere they are better out of high season. Barbara

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QUOTE(Peter Gee @ Oct 14 2010, 08:13 AM) View Post

Last time I heard that one, Billy, it was about Liverpool...

Let's not forget Scunthorpe!




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