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@  rosie A : (24 June 2017 - 07:34 PM)

Well said, Colleen

@  Admin - Colleen : (22 June 2017 - 05:53 PM)

From Today onwards I will be issuing warnings to members who call others "stupid" or name calling or insinuate or become quite frankly unfriendly towards other members. If you can not be nice I kindly ask you not to contribute.

 

 

This forum is about Puglia.

 

 

3 warnings and we will have to part company.

@  flora : (21 June 2017 - 06:43 PM)

Had half day power cuts every couple of weeks in a number of localities for past couple of months - think I am on 15th..They do realise I can read the code at the page bottom..have done for a long time.

@  Diana : (17 June 2017 - 05:25 PM)

Sorry for the long post - cant get my post with photos to upload - just errorr

@  Diana : (17 June 2017 - 05:24 PM)

My dear sister, who lived in Puglia, died suddenly last year and since then her partner who also lives in Puglia has been caring for her 3 dogs.My sister loved her dogs. They were all strays that just arrived!! Like many soft-hearted English people she took them in. At one point there were 8 of them!
Sadly her partner is seriously ill and has been admitted to hospital . He won’t be able to return to the home, which is why I’m making this appeal.
I’m looking to find new homes for these 3 lovely dogs as they have nobody to take care of them. They are GENGHIS, a cross bred male, who is good natured and affectionate. DOLLY, a very friendly female and SHADOW, another sweet natured boy.

 

They are all used to family life and living with other dogs so should have no trouble fitting in.. They are getting on a bit but have no health problems that I am aware of and they have all been neutered. I cannot take care of them myself because I live in the UK but I am very willing, on behalf of my sister, to cover any vet fees and also to contribute towards their keep.
At the moment a neighbour has been temporarily helping out by feeding them,and her kindness has been extraordinary, but they need a home .
Is anybody able to offer them a home?
Please get in touch either here on the forum (I am a member) or send me an e-mail at coxie521@hotmail.com
I will then put you in touch with the neighbour in Puglia who can sort out all the arrangements.

 

Thank you!
Diana Clough

@  d535 : (14 June 2017 - 09:28 AM)

Hi Oria Deb, Thank you for that We are over I think from the 28th to 5th probably seeing the Puglia pool people on the 1st I would be interested to come and view your pool works! If you would like to give me your mobile or e-mail I will contact you privately for those, again many thanks.

@  OriaDeb : (14 June 2017 - 06:44 AM)

D535. Gianni Dimagli 349 3937801. gianni.dimagli@poolgardenservice.it They start my pool next week. I know 3 people who have used them and everyone is very pleased with all aspects of the company and works done. You are welcome to come over and see them at work and talk to Gianni here. The shop is well manned, with an English speaking lady.

@  d535 : (12 June 2017 - 03:53 PM)

Flora, The P's, Oria Deb, thank you all for info on pools much appreciated,

@  d535 : (12 June 2017 - 11:07 AM)

You can get me on d.od@virgin.net and I will come back to you many thanks

@  d535 : (12 June 2017 - 11:07 AM)

@OriaDeb do you have a contact person at The manduria Pool & Garden centre what kind of pool did they build you?

@  Beanies : (12 June 2017 - 10:27 AM)

Hi Verosac, we might be interested actually, will be in Ostuni from Sunday night until Thursday. Is it a pellet one?

@  flora : (12 June 2017 - 06:07 AM)

So pathetic and excruciatingly low “peeps”??….but I have always been a fan of Glen Close

@  d535 : (11 June 2017 - 07:07 PM)

Sorry d.od@ virgin.net

@  d535 : (11 June 2017 - 07:06 PM)

Last year I was fortunate to ask if anyone had. Pair of good bikes for sale and bought them from one of the contributors and they have been fantastic. Now after a couple of more bikes if any one can help possibly over at the end of the month? Thank you

@  d535 : (11 June 2017 - 07:04 PM)

d.od a@virgin .ne

@  d535 : (11 June 2017 - 07:04 PM)

@The P's yes please would love to speak with you ref. Pools! Can you send me a text or e mail me? 07527170100

@  Jillcurly : (11 June 2017 - 06:23 PM)

Thanks to those who gave route info. Looking forward to the challenge!

@  MZAS : (11 June 2017 - 06:05 PM)

Thank you, Digger.  We will look into this.

@  MZAS : (11 June 2017 - 06:03 PM)

Thanks, Flora.  We are new this but we will post it to the utilities section.  Thanks.

@  Digger : (11 June 2017 - 03:38 PM)

MZAS.....not amps. it's Kw. 3Kw is the basic supply - OK if you limit the appliances in use at any one time. 6Kw if you want air con + oven etc. 10Kw if you want everything on at the same time. The more Kw you have the more you pay.


Sunday Times Article On Puglia

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Read an Article by AA Gill this Sunday about Puglia in The Times Travel Section. It might be available online.
www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/travel
His usual acerbic wit.
but he does like Lecce, I quote, " a miraculous and beautiful place, not despite its surroundings, but because of them.
but the rest of Puglia I don't think he liked it.
Lucky old him, he got to go free as a guest of a travel company, wish I had his job.

Anyway just thought I'd let you know about it so you can have a read.
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Hello JoJo. Thanks for the hat-tip toward the Times article. However, as Rupert Murdoch, in his undoubted wisdom, has stopped all access to both the Times and Sunday Times websites unless you pay, most people don't have access to the piece. Of course, you might have come across the article outside of the Murdoch paywall, so a link (or the article itself) would be interesting - if possible...

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QUOTE(Peter Gee @ Sep 26 2010, 03:15 PM) View Post

Hello JoJo. Thanks for the hat-tip toward the Times article. However, as Rupert Murdoch, in his undoubted wisdom, has stopped all access to both the Times and Sunday Times websites unless you pay, most people don't have access to the piece. Of course, you might have come across the article outside of the Murdoch paywall, so a link (or the article itself) would be interesting - if possible...

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Hi sorry, didn't realise you had to pay now to read the times on line sad.gif

Here are a few quotes

Since the unification of Italy Puglia has been run by communists, plundered by army recruiters, patronised by politicians and plagued with a particularly efficient and vicious version of the mafia. It gets money from Brussels, money from Rome and communist mayors who order up spaghetti factories, cheap public housing, business parks, access roads and electricity pylons, then the mafia arranges to build them, or at least start building them.
So Puglia is a rubble of ground plans, boarded factories, empty warehouses. there are dirty roads that lead to pointless roundabouts and lots of stained grotty high rise flats in clusters in a landscape of dumped rubbish, discarded white goods and collapsed cars. It looks poor, it is poor.
All the money, the socialism, the crime and Catholicism have conspired to keep it the way it's always been.
All this the English can ignore. They can see round it, over it. They have remarkable selective vision that simply washes away the ugly and the callous. They can see round corners into beautiful olive groves and fruit orchards. They sigh over Greek ruins in the middle of 1970's cut price civic hideousness. The magazines have carefully cropped photographs of sun loungers and pools and sky with bits of beach.

Then he reports on Lecce which he loved and gave a long and glowing description of the architecture.

Lecce is a miraculous and beautiful place, not despite its surroundings but because of them. Is Puglia this years smart Italy? God knows it needs the tourism, but not as a delusional annex to Tuscany.

He says Puglia deserves and needs new investment and infra structure and services, and friends who visit. It doesn't deserve a lot of English fantasists in panama hats braying about the architecture, pretending this is some sort of undiscovered riot of deliciously secret Italy

It was a full page spread so I can't type it all out, and a lot of it was about the English love affair with Italy and the villa he stayed in with his family and friends.

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QUOTE(JoJo @ Sep 27 2010, 02:15 PM) View Post

Hi sorry, didn't realise you had to pay now to read the times on line sad.gif

Here are a few quotes

Since the unification of Italy Puglia has been run by communists, plundered by army recruiters, patronised by politicians and plagued with a particularly efficient and vicious version of the mafia. It gets money from Brussels, money from Rome and communist mayors who order up spaghetti factories, cheap public housing, business parks, access roads and electricity pylons, then the mafia arranges to build them, or at least start building them.
So Puglia is a rubble of ground plans, boarded factories, empty warehouses. there are dirty roads that lead to pointless roundabouts and lots of stained grotty high rise flats in clusters in a landscape of dumped rubbish, discarded white goods and collapsed cars. It looks poor, it is poor.
All the money, the socialism, the crime and Catholicism have conspired to keep it the way it's always been.
All this the English can ignore. They can see round it, over it. They have remarkable selective vision that simply washes away the ugly and the callous. They can see round corners into beautiful olive groves and fruit orchards. They sigh over Greek ruins in the middle of 1970's cut price civic hideousness. The magazines have carefully cropped photographs of sun loungers and pools and sky with bits of beach.

Then he reports on Lecce which he loved and gave a long and glowing description of the architecture.

Lecce is a miraculous and beautiful place, not despite its surroundings but because of them. Is Puglia this years smart Italy? God knows it needs the tourism, but not as a delusional annex to Tuscany.

He says Puglia deserves and needs new investment and infra structure and services, and friends who visit. It doesn't deserve a lot of English fantasists in panama hats braying about the architecture, pretending this is some sort of undiscovered riot of deliciously secret Italy

It was a full page spread so I can't type it all out, and a lot of it was about the English love affair with Italy and the villa he stayed in with his family and friends.

Jo


Clearly he couldn't see past the end of his nose and merely reported on what he could see and missed one of Puglias best assets, the people

So Puglia is a rubble of ground plans, boarded factories, empty warehouses. there are dirty roads that lead to pointless roundabouts and lots of stained grotty high rise flats in clusters in a landscape of dumped rubbish, discarded white goods and collapsed cars. It looks poor, it is poor.

Sounds like parts of the UK I know!
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QUOTE(The P's @ Sep 27 2010, 06:24 PM) View Post


Clearly he couldn't see past the end of his nose and merely reported on what he could see and missed one of Puglias best assets, the people

So Puglia is a rubble of ground plans, boarded factories, empty warehouses. there are dirty roads that lead to pointless roundabouts and lots of stained grotty high rise flats in clusters in a landscape of dumped rubbish, discarded white goods and collapsed cars. It looks poor, it is poor.

Sounds like parts of the UK I know!

Indeed! 'Journalists' in the UK seem to be more intent on writing articles that support the views of the newspaper (and its owner), that makes its money by selling to its own 'target' audience. Times, Mail, Guardian, Torygraph, et al - all of them carry stories about 'their' own version of a fantasy Italy that are complete nonsense - but sell papers. A shame, but have you watched TG1 or Rete4 recently? Same nonsense everywhere...

...Puts 'grumpy old man' coat on and leaves room...


PS. Thank you for the quotes, JoJo - I appreciate the effort smile.gif

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You can read the article in full (FREE) http://www.timesonli...icle6831810.ece

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QUOTE(The Waltons @ Oct 1 2010, 09:59 AM) View Post

You can read the article in full (FREE) http://www.timesonli...icle6831810.ece

happy reading

Doesn't sound like the same article to me.
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QUOTE(The Waltons @ Oct 1 2010, 09:59 AM) View Post

You can read the article in full (FREE) http://www.timesonli...icle6831810.ece

happy reading



Unfortunately not the same article mad.gif
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QUOTE(JoJo @ Sep 27 2010, 01:15 PM) View Post

Since the unification of Italy Puglia has been run by communists, plundered by army recruiters, patronised by politicians and plagued with a particularly efficient and vicious version of the mafia.



Puglia ruled by "communists"?
It seems he writes the first things that come in his mind without verifying them.
So you have rubbish journalist as well.
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QUOTE(Giuseppe @ Oct 10 2010, 04:06 PM) View Post

Puglia ruled by "communists"?
It seems he writes the first things that come in his mind without verifying them.
So you have rubbish journalist as well.

Indeed, Giuseppe. Indeed. Journalism is better described these days as "churnalism" - that is to say that stories in the paper are just reprinted from other publications without any fact checking (or indeed, facts) to suit the thinking of the majority of readers of the paper. The 'best' newspaper (I use the term loosely) in the UK to see that in action is, of course, the Daily Mail. But the Murdoch owned and controlled "Times", together with the "News of the World" and the "Sun" will give even Il Giornale a run for its money these days. The other point to bear in mind is that the majority of newspapers everywhere in the world are very xenophobic in the way that they present information - hence "foreigners" always being illustrated as mere stereotypes of the reality.

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QUOTE(JoJo @ Sep 23 2010, 02:34 PM) View Post

Read an Article by AA Gill this Sunday about Puglia in The Times Travel Section. It might be available online.
www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/travel
His usual acerbic wit.
but he does like Lecce, I quote, " a miraculous and beautiful place, not despite its surroundings, but because of them.
but the rest of Puglia I don't think he liked it.
Lucky old him, he got to go free as a guest of a travel company, wish I had his job.

Anyway just thought I'd let you know about it so you can have a read.
Jo

Hi Jo, we visited Lecce about 2 weeks back and were appalled at the amount of graffiti, even on the churches. The city was quite dirty with lots of dog poo around the streets. We feel that other cities in Puglia are more attractive and more friendly
Cheers
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QUOTE(Stewart @ Oct 13 2010, 03:01 PM) View Post

Hi Jo, we visited Lecce about 2 weeks back and were appalled at the amount of graffiti, even on the churches. The city was quite dirty with lots of dog poo around the streets. We feel that other cities in Puglia are more attractive and more friendly
Cheers
Stewart

If Typhoo put the T in Britain-who put the poo in Puglia??
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QUOTE(Billy @ Oct 13 2010, 09:15 PM) View Post

If Typhoo put the T in Britain-who put the poo in Puglia??

Last time I heard that one, Billy, it was about Liverpool...



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QUOTE(Stewart @ Oct 13 2010, 03:01 PM) View Post

Hi Jo, we visited Lecce about 2 weeks back and were appalled at the amount of graffiti, even on the churches. The city was quite dirty with lots of dog poo around the streets. We feel that other cities in Puglia are more attractive and more friendly
Cheers
Stewart


I concur with Stewart about the amount of graffiti - this is an Italian word so it must originate here and blights Belgium and New York as well as Lecce.

With the income from tourism the local council should keep on top of the problem. I will send an email to them and see what comes back if anything.........
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QUOTE(Peter Gee @ Oct 14 2010, 09:13 AM) View Post

Last time I heard that one, Billy, it was about Liverpool...


i read the article
there are some ugly parts but that can be said of anywhere
is Gallipoli really that bad?
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QUOTE(eib @ Oct 18 2010, 01:40 PM) View Post


i read the article
there are some ugly parts but that can be said of anywhere
is Gallipoli really that bad?

Basically, eib, no it isn't. I have several Italian friends that live both in and close to Gallipoli and they have no problems at all. You must try to bear in mind that criminal activities tend to remain within criminal circles, so unless your concern is being broken into and your lawn mower stolen, the worst excesses would only become visible if you were to be actively involved in the criminal world yourself - which I am absolutely sure you are not! biggrin.gif

Remember that stories about foreign countries - and for The Times, Italy is a very foreign country that is causing its owner, Rupert Murdoch a few financial issues in his satellite TV empire - are often written only for the benefit of the home market - and to cause embarrassment to business rivals.

So, in short, Gallipoli is a lovely place but a bit too full of tourists in the summer for my personal taste.

And you will get used to the graffiti in time. Probably. wink.gif
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QUOTE(eib @ Oct 18 2010, 12:40 PM) View Post

i read the article
there are some ugly parts but that can be said of anywhere
is Gallipoli really that bad?

I'm sure it's attractive, but just avoid like the plague a weekend in July, August or first weekend Sept. We made the mistake of thinking we'd just 'have a quick look' on our way down to Santa Maria di Leuca for a couple of days. Several hours later and in the company of what appeared to be 50% of Italy's entire population, we gave it up as a bad job, crawled our way out of the traffic jam, headed inland and straight down to our hotel. We still haven't been there but will perhaps go and see it (in more depth) in winter!
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We Went there at about this time 2 years ago - it was beautiful - sunny, uncrowded and the tables for the restaurants were still out along the seafront in the old town - like most places everywhere they are better out of high season. Barbara
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QUOTE(Peter Gee @ Oct 14 2010, 08:13 AM) View Post

Last time I heard that one, Billy, it was about Liverpool...

Let's not forget Scunthorpe!
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